Gail: you are partially correct, and for 99.9+ percent of the population, you are correct. BUT, in some rare instances, there are XXY superfemales and XYY supermales. The "super" indicated an extra sex chromosome and NOT that of a more powerful being. In fact, the trisomy sex folks are usually weaker embodiements of their sex. Just be being an idiot to bring this up! LOL (Disclaimer: I was taught this in college genetics in....1969! Things may have changed, or even been re-defined since then! LOL)
Thanks George. I always appreciate learning new facts. But I maintain my original position and the reason is because Life is not “fair” and competitions imo should not be required to accommodate for every human permutation. EITHER everyone competes against everyone else without regard for the TWO ( and ONLY two) gender differences, OR they do segregate according to gender differences.
IMO those are the only options that have integrity.
And you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT Correct! Only competition between genders should be no-contact skill sports: bowling, target shooting, etc. Even skiiing isn't fair competition, nor swimming. For the life of me, I still cannot fathom WHY the women allow this travesty to continue. I can see in college that women would not want to raise a ruckus, as they'd be labeled as homophobes, transphobes, or some other (to us) meaningless tripe. BUT, once they get to be a Riley Gaines, they should DEMAND to be heard. And organizers, if they want to be WOKE, just need to add a trans category. Like smarter folks have said: WHY is it you NEVER see a trans women compete with men!
I''ve read that Khelif is a DSD female. I had to look that up and found this article. It says that "For example, some girls have one X and one Y chromosome." I haven't read what the actual chromosomes are for Khelif, xx, xy, or one of the supers that George mentioned. But according to this article, a female can be xy. Sounds like bs to me, but the source is the Cincinnati Children's Hospital. https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/health/d/differences-sexual-development
Thanks for the additional info. I looked up what the DSD facts are, and basically, I was correct about the chromosomes, but (and I even remembered this) they call the extra X in males Kleinfelters and the extra Y in women Turner's. And, those individuals are very rare and are NOT usually even remotely athletic. In addition, there is an XXYY potential! Still, most of his is "re-naming" conditions to suit tioday's woke climate. Homosexuality was a deviant and psychological problem until around the early 1980s. Why the change? Many more people were found to be in this category. Basically, NO man or any combination of Y chromosomes SHOULD be allowed to compete against ANY woman, especially after going through puberty. Heck, a woman's javelin is even lighter and shorter, as well as the shot and other weight events. Any event where strength and muscular development is unequal due to sexual diffetences---including, as Glenn mentioned---fast twitch fibers (mostly white muscle) should be separeted by sex OR add an "intersex" category! THANKS for enlightening me--I told Gail it was a LONG time ago I was taught this!
We may be discussing biological men competing as women, but the real issue is the psycho-emotional dysfunction of those allowing this to occur in the first place! Those that allow or champion this are just as dysfunctional as those who think they are trans.
Those enablers like to THINK it makes them not look like the Neanderthals WE are! Unfortunately, for them, they are in the wastebin of REAL Science. But, they don't know it yet!
In my opinion we MUST stop using any of the Woke vocabulary. "Gender" is a language construct; nouns have gender, people are of a particular sex, of which there are two. Those would be "male" and "female." (Jesus, I sound like Heels-up Harris - "Ukraine is a country in Europe. Russia is a bigger country ....")
Distinguishing which does not require any sleuthing; simply pull a cheek swab or blood and look for chromosomes. XX is female; XY is male. Done and done. "Trans people" do not exist; they are either male or female or a postoperative version of the same. Slicing off a man's tallywacker does not bring him any closer to being a woman than cutting off your arm and saying , "Arrrrgggh!" makes you Long John Silver. He's a genitally-mutilated MAN.
There is absolutely no good purpose in letting a man (not a "genetic male" - a F'ing MAN) beat up a woman, with or without boxing gloves. Where are the Toxic Feminists in this argument, and why are they not donning their pussy hats and mobbing the Champs-Élysées? What's wrong with you people?
To answer your rhetorical question, it's all about "intersectionality." People on the left are required to take the side of the left on all issues.
To the extent they conflict, there's a hierarchy: women's issues are subordinate to gay issues which are subordinate to race issues, which are subordinate to trans issues.
Thanks. I've puzzled for decades about how this all fits together, and now that I'm retired and have some time to look around, the pieces have all dropped into place. The most important piece is that about eight out of ten people will follow the conventional wisdom, even to the point of being nasty to those who don't.
I've always been in the "two," with the additional advantage of never in my life having given a rat's ass what other people thought. Watching the current public - and especially women - being led around by the noses to the point of championing this "trans" lunacy chaps my ass considerably. Maybe we should reconsider the Nineteenth Amendment.
Sometimes I feel like Cassandra; it's a good thing that the "real" one is not in this time and place. She'd kill herself.
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BTW: in December I pulled a 30' box trailer with an airplane in it from Virginia through Aspen to San José. Used to ski there occasionally; it's still beautiful, I see.
I'm in the "two" with you, Jim! As is every sane and thinking person I know! Even some dems! If I see what looks like a guy or girl, I will call them "he" or "she" unless I am told otherwise. Count on it! And depending on the attitude, I will CONTINUE to call them what I see them as!
I’m predicting that the 2028 Olympics will introduce a new sport. Competitive wife beating… Certain middle eastern countries will of course start out with a competitive edge, having excelled in this activity for centuries.
While your at predicting, Bill--let's not forget "Tossing Gays From Buildings,", medals, of course, being won (initially?) by those same countries you mentioned.
Glenn: I'm certain you remember the Russian/Soviet women't weightlifting competetions in Olympics past, where men claimed to be women to win medals for the USSR. The FAKE women were tossed via a Barr Body test, which, like a DNA test will instantly show if a person's cells contain a Barr Body, which is a SECOND X-chromosome! In other words, you do NOT have a Barr Body, you are a MALE! And ALL women WILL have at least ONE Barr Body! Science fact! I always wonder how the "Party of Science" allows this abortion fo thought(?) But then, I tell myself---they listened to Fauxi and wore several worthless masks. As a former science major at BK's college in PA, I was always taught to ALWAYS QUESTION any idea. The fact that during the pandemic, only the Govt. would have the correct information was as far off base as possible, especially in science. Tom Cotton (R-AR) asked about the possibility of a lab leak, and Fauxi went off the rails. That should have even had Dems scratching their heads, but, you mentioned "Intersectionality"--a definition I still have no idea what it means!
I made a comment about all of this on X and, naturally, had responses. The main argument, seemingly from people on the other side of the world, is that "she" has been a girl since birth. "She was raised one, and all of her documentation is that of a female."
Well, okay. If s/he wasn't born with a clear indication, like intersex and other anomalies, and was "assigned" (I use that in the real sense, not the trans-activist sense) female, of course all of the documentation would be female. That doesn't mean s/he is. In such cases, it seems that a chromosome test should be done shortly after birth.
All this comes down to is that we have questions. And want answers. Which we probably won't get.
Psychologists tell us that rape isn't really about sex, but about power and domination. Okay, then what better form of domination could there be than a biological man "transitioning" to being a woman, and then using his superior physiology to dominate women via sports? Unlike rape, it’s now not generally illegal. You won’t face jail time for it or have to register on an offender’s registry. On the contrary, it has the bonus of being socially acceptable in certain circles and a near total chance of success, and even accolades when successful at it. You even get to do it in public, which I am sure that for some sociopaths is a big bonus.
So are transgendered men participating in women’s sports participating in a form of rape? Are the Progressives that engender this agenda participating in the rape of women?
I think another point that is a bit overlooked is the exhibitionism aspect to it all. Transsexuals seem to want to be seen. In both rape and competing against women, there's a sinister "look-at-me" aspect.
I think the exhibition aspect could be applied to much of the LGBTQ+ community, going back decades. Most of the homosexual and even trans people I know live otherwise unassuming lives; you wouldn't know many of them are gay unless they offered the fact to you. They don't dress or act flamboyantly or participate in pride events. They just live their lives and for the most part just wish to be left alone.
On the other hand, most of the advocates we see on the streets and media are those who are into it for the attention it garners. Many of the quiet homosexuals have always been uncomfortable with this. In my opinion, the antics of the exhibitionists held back widespread acceptance of the more quiet in the LGBTQ+ community by decades.
I also think that Angela Carini's apology regarding her reaction to getting beaten by a biological male is akin to a rape victim suffering from Stockholm Syndrome apologizing to her rapist. It's sad.
As for Carini's apology, I strongly suspect it's not sincere. Rather, she was told she had to apologize, else her athletic career in Italy and elsewhere was over.
For all their rhetoric about compassion and helping the little guy, these leftists are merciless.
XX or XY. PERIOD.
No other distinction should be allowed.
Gail: you are partially correct, and for 99.9+ percent of the population, you are correct. BUT, in some rare instances, there are XXY superfemales and XYY supermales. The "super" indicated an extra sex chromosome and NOT that of a more powerful being. In fact, the trisomy sex folks are usually weaker embodiements of their sex. Just be being an idiot to bring this up! LOL (Disclaimer: I was taught this in college genetics in....1969! Things may have changed, or even been re-defined since then! LOL)
Thanks George. I always appreciate learning new facts. But I maintain my original position and the reason is because Life is not “fair” and competitions imo should not be required to accommodate for every human permutation. EITHER everyone competes against everyone else without regard for the TWO ( and ONLY two) gender differences, OR they do segregate according to gender differences.
IMO those are the only options that have integrity.
And you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT Correct! Only competition between genders should be no-contact skill sports: bowling, target shooting, etc. Even skiiing isn't fair competition, nor swimming. For the life of me, I still cannot fathom WHY the women allow this travesty to continue. I can see in college that women would not want to raise a ruckus, as they'd be labeled as homophobes, transphobes, or some other (to us) meaningless tripe. BUT, once they get to be a Riley Gaines, they should DEMAND to be heard. And organizers, if they want to be WOKE, just need to add a trans category. Like smarter folks have said: WHY is it you NEVER see a trans women compete with men!
Yep and I think it might be starting to turn around thanks to Riley Gaines and Trump elevating it to a campaign issue. Let’s hope so.
And like I noted, Gail: Let's HOPE my "arcane facts" are STILL fact! LOL
I''ve read that Khelif is a DSD female. I had to look that up and found this article. It says that "For example, some girls have one X and one Y chromosome." I haven't read what the actual chromosomes are for Khelif, xx, xy, or one of the supers that George mentioned. But according to this article, a female can be xy. Sounds like bs to me, but the source is the Cincinnati Children's Hospital. https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/health/d/differences-sexual-development
Jack:
Thanks for the additional info. I looked up what the DSD facts are, and basically, I was correct about the chromosomes, but (and I even remembered this) they call the extra X in males Kleinfelters and the extra Y in women Turner's. And, those individuals are very rare and are NOT usually even remotely athletic. In addition, there is an XXYY potential! Still, most of his is "re-naming" conditions to suit tioday's woke climate. Homosexuality was a deviant and psychological problem until around the early 1980s. Why the change? Many more people were found to be in this category. Basically, NO man or any combination of Y chromosomes SHOULD be allowed to compete against ANY woman, especially after going through puberty. Heck, a woman's javelin is even lighter and shorter, as well as the shot and other weight events. Any event where strength and muscular development is unequal due to sexual diffetences---including, as Glenn mentioned---fast twitch fibers (mostly white muscle) should be separeted by sex OR add an "intersex" category! THANKS for enlightening me--I told Gail it was a LONG time ago I was taught this!
We may be discussing biological men competing as women, but the real issue is the psycho-emotional dysfunction of those allowing this to occur in the first place! Those that allow or champion this are just as dysfunctional as those who think they are trans.
Those enablers like to THINK it makes them not look like the Neanderthals WE are! Unfortunately, for them, they are in the wastebin of REAL Science. But, they don't know it yet!
yes! and excellent point.
In my opinion we MUST stop using any of the Woke vocabulary. "Gender" is a language construct; nouns have gender, people are of a particular sex, of which there are two. Those would be "male" and "female." (Jesus, I sound like Heels-up Harris - "Ukraine is a country in Europe. Russia is a bigger country ....")
Distinguishing which does not require any sleuthing; simply pull a cheek swab or blood and look for chromosomes. XX is female; XY is male. Done and done. "Trans people" do not exist; they are either male or female or a postoperative version of the same. Slicing off a man's tallywacker does not bring him any closer to being a woman than cutting off your arm and saying , "Arrrrgggh!" makes you Long John Silver. He's a genitally-mutilated MAN.
There is absolutely no good purpose in letting a man (not a "genetic male" - a F'ing MAN) beat up a woman, with or without boxing gloves. Where are the Toxic Feminists in this argument, and why are they not donning their pussy hats and mobbing the Champs-Élysées? What's wrong with you people?
Good comment.
To answer your rhetorical question, it's all about "intersectionality." People on the left are required to take the side of the left on all issues.
To the extent they conflict, there's a hierarchy: women's issues are subordinate to gay issues which are subordinate to race issues, which are subordinate to trans issues.
Didn't you get the memo?
Thanks. I've puzzled for decades about how this all fits together, and now that I'm retired and have some time to look around, the pieces have all dropped into place. The most important piece is that about eight out of ten people will follow the conventional wisdom, even to the point of being nasty to those who don't.
I've always been in the "two," with the additional advantage of never in my life having given a rat's ass what other people thought. Watching the current public - and especially women - being led around by the noses to the point of championing this "trans" lunacy chaps my ass considerably. Maybe we should reconsider the Nineteenth Amendment.
Sometimes I feel like Cassandra; it's a good thing that the "real" one is not in this time and place. She'd kill herself.
*****************
BTW: in December I pulled a 30' box trailer with an airplane in it from Virginia through Aspen to San José. Used to ski there occasionally; it's still beautiful, I see.
I'm in the "two" with you, Jim! As is every sane and thinking person I know! Even some dems! If I see what looks like a guy or girl, I will call them "he" or "she" unless I am told otherwise. Count on it! And depending on the attitude, I will CONTINUE to call them what I see them as!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=h_F3twM6MhM
Lance Armstrong interviews Caitlyn Jenner.
Very interesting from a couple years ago.
Caitlyn says "No trans women in womens sports".
Swyer syndrome. Without hormone tests, nothing can be determined about having an advantage.
I’m predicting that the 2028 Olympics will introduce a new sport. Competitive wife beating… Certain middle eastern countries will of course start out with a competitive edge, having excelled in this activity for centuries.
While your at predicting, Bill--let's not forget "Tossing Gays From Buildings,", medals, of course, being won (initially?) by those same countries you mentioned.
You said it best. It’s gross.
Glenn: I'm certain you remember the Russian/Soviet women't weightlifting competetions in Olympics past, where men claimed to be women to win medals for the USSR. The FAKE women were tossed via a Barr Body test, which, like a DNA test will instantly show if a person's cells contain a Barr Body, which is a SECOND X-chromosome! In other words, you do NOT have a Barr Body, you are a MALE! And ALL women WILL have at least ONE Barr Body! Science fact! I always wonder how the "Party of Science" allows this abortion fo thought(?) But then, I tell myself---they listened to Fauxi and wore several worthless masks. As a former science major at BK's college in PA, I was always taught to ALWAYS QUESTION any idea. The fact that during the pandemic, only the Govt. would have the correct information was as far off base as possible, especially in science. Tom Cotton (R-AR) asked about the possibility of a lab leak, and Fauxi went off the rails. That should have even had Dems scratching their heads, but, you mentioned "Intersectionality"--a definition I still have no idea what it means!
I made a comment about all of this on X and, naturally, had responses. The main argument, seemingly from people on the other side of the world, is that "she" has been a girl since birth. "She was raised one, and all of her documentation is that of a female."
Well, okay. If s/he wasn't born with a clear indication, like intersex and other anomalies, and was "assigned" (I use that in the real sense, not the trans-activist sense) female, of course all of the documentation would be female. That doesn't mean s/he is. In such cases, it seems that a chromosome test should be done shortly after birth.
All this comes down to is that we have questions. And want answers. Which we probably won't get.
President Trump will do all he can to keep biological men from invading women’s & girls’ spaces!
Inspired by our late great Founding Fathers.
We find these truths to be self-evident …
XX Chromosomes = Woman, a Genetic Female
XY Chromosomes = Man, a Genetic Male
XX Chromosomes will never change into XY Chromosomes.
XY Chromosomes will never change into XX Chromosomes.
Prove me wrong.
This is so easy that even a Kindergartner can understand …
https://youtu.be/T3wcxHiorJ4?si=J2jkUIoTjcQZd-s2
"What kind of man wants to win a medal by beating up a woman in front of a cheering crowd?
A bad man, that’s what kind. A man who is arguably a deviant, attention-seeking, woman-beating sadist."
Exactly, and not to be tolerated.
Psychologists tell us that rape isn't really about sex, but about power and domination. Okay, then what better form of domination could there be than a biological man "transitioning" to being a woman, and then using his superior physiology to dominate women via sports? Unlike rape, it’s now not generally illegal. You won’t face jail time for it or have to register on an offender’s registry. On the contrary, it has the bonus of being socially acceptable in certain circles and a near total chance of success, and even accolades when successful at it. You even get to do it in public, which I am sure that for some sociopaths is a big bonus.
So are transgendered men participating in women’s sports participating in a form of rape? Are the Progressives that engender this agenda participating in the rape of women?
Interesting point, John.
I think another point that is a bit overlooked is the exhibitionism aspect to it all. Transsexuals seem to want to be seen. In both rape and competing against women, there's a sinister "look-at-me" aspect.
I think the exhibition aspect could be applied to much of the LGBTQ+ community, going back decades. Most of the homosexual and even trans people I know live otherwise unassuming lives; you wouldn't know many of them are gay unless they offered the fact to you. They don't dress or act flamboyantly or participate in pride events. They just live their lives and for the most part just wish to be left alone.
On the other hand, most of the advocates we see on the streets and media are those who are into it for the attention it garners. Many of the quiet homosexuals have always been uncomfortable with this. In my opinion, the antics of the exhibitionists held back widespread acceptance of the more quiet in the LGBTQ+ community by decades.
I also think that Angela Carini's apology regarding her reaction to getting beaten by a biological male is akin to a rape victim suffering from Stockholm Syndrome apologizing to her rapist. It's sad.
As for Carini's apology, I strongly suspect it's not sincere. Rather, she was told she had to apologize, else her athletic career in Italy and elsewhere was over.
For all their rhetoric about compassion and helping the little guy, these leftists are merciless.
Very good points. We even made the month of June "Proud month" for them. A formal reason for exhibition. I would rather that we don't encourage them.