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Rusty Staff's avatar

I appreciate very much how even-handed you are and how you call it like you see it...You are obviously a conservative, but MTG is an embarrassment to our cause....Thanks for pointing it out so eloquently.

If it weren't for you and Free Press, I'd probably just shut down my computer and do something useful...

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Jeff Keener's avatar

MTG is as much a sideshow as Tlaib and her cohort and I hope they're all short-timers. I do, however, think it's perfectly reasonable and smart to leverage a vote on HR-2 in the Senate for a vote on military aid to Ukraine in the House.

The question I have is, does $61B defeat Russia? Or does it merely prolong the war another 6 months and Ukraine is still where it is today and where it was 6 months ago and 6 months before that... add another 50,000 Ukrainians and Russians to their meat grinder.

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Mister Two's avatar

Ukraine is another proxy war to test and develop weapons and finance the industrial military complex. Every time a country is invited to NATO, the country has to reconfigure their military equipment to align to the NATO standard - this is a huge payday for the world's industrial military complex.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

General Keane explained that we are sending our defunct and superseded weaponry to Ukraine and using the money appropriated by Congress to purchase the latest upgrades for our own use.

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Mister Two's avatar

I like Gen. Keane as much as any one of the other FNC talking heads. /sarc. That does not make them always truthful. That said, most of our old stuff is already gone and new production is being sent into that fight, while our own stocks are still depleted.

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GEORGE FELDER III's avatar

Keane is far better than most of the military talking heads, though! You don't get 4-stars for not being on top of your game. I wonder, though, how much .30-'06 ammo we still have at LeJeune....when I went through ITR, we had M-1s as opposed to the short-lived M-14s, because (we were told) there is enough .30-'06 ammo that every range in the Corps could fire night and day and it (the ammo) would last until the 22nd century! I'm guessing we also still have TONS of 105mm and even lots of 155mm shells, too! Again, just a guess.

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Glenn K Beaton's avatar

I've had dinner with General Keane in a very small setting. He's very impressive in his knowledge and judgment.

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Maury BROCHSTEIN's avatar

Nothing is a certainty, Jeff but there is a much greater probability that not funding Ukraine would bring Russia to striking a NATO country. Also, what percentage of our overall budget is worth keeping the US out of pulling in US troops? At the end of the day it’s about preserving democracy.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

I was sucked in, hook, line, and sinker, to projecting democracy as prescribed by the neoconservatives in the Bush administration. We should be more cautious this time. "Preserving democracy" -- is becoming such an empty phrase. I don't consider the way that the Obama/Biden administration meddled and tried to influence Ukrainian elections as being a democratic practice. We never do learn, do we?

Tell me, if Putin is beaten by conventional methods, what is his other option?

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Maury BROCHSTEIN's avatar

Hopefully, Jeff, we can both agree that if Ukraine is able to beat Putin/Russia, who initiated this war. It will not only be a huge victory for Ukraine but for all democratic countries. Do you consider the way that Trump meddled/withholding arms to Ukraine, in hopes of getting dirt on Biden from Zelenskyy, a legitimate reason to not do what is best for the United States?

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Glenn K Beaton's avatar

Maury, the lawyer in me objects that your question lacks foundation -- something like "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

I'm not aware of proof that Trump engaged in "meddling/withholding arms to Ukraine in hopes of getting dirt on Biden." If you have that proof, please feel free to share it with us.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

I wholeheartedly agree with and support the investigation of Hunter Biden and his dodgy agency for foreign entities and for the president to ask the leader of Ukraine for his assistance in the ongoing criminal investigation. We have a treaty with Ukraine specifically for this purpose (Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters, 106-16). Predicating the disbursement of aid on co-operation in a potential corruption case used to be called "diplomacy" and was frequently practiced in previous administrations and as VP Biden bragged about with his now notorious admission about leveraging $5B in return for firing a prosecutor that fell in dis-favor of the U.S. State Dept. Exposing and prosecuting corruption and corrupt practices between Ukraine and the U.S. is always in the best interest of the United States.

To your comment about Ukraine beating Russia, I think the best we can hope for (which is to avoid a nuclear detonation) is a DMZ of the disputed border region with UN Blue Helmets, in which the residents form a somewhat autonomous & neutral governing body. It is in everybody's best interest to resolve hostilities as soon as possible and resume normalized and robust trade between Ukraine (and the rest of world) and Russia.

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Mister Two's avatar

I've always thought that Lauren Boebert was Colorado's Sarah Palin and MTG was Georgia's Sheila Jackson Lee...

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Jeff Keener's avatar

When Palin was governor of Alaska, the National Governors Association ranked her No. 1 for effectiveness and government reform.

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Mister Two's avatar

True. She was. And her public/personal life fell apart the moment that McCain picked her as VP.

Sadly, the pitfalls that befell Sarah seems to be the same path that Lauren has wandered down. I do have to admit that due to the 2022 narrow win, she has conducted herself with much more decorum - at least in DC...

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Right. I was really disappointed when McCain announced Sarah as his running mate. She was not ready for that stage and the opposition ate her up. I met with her several times during her campaign regarding mining issues in Alaska and found her to be very attentive, inquisitive, and smart. She honored me by mentioning me as a valued voice for advising her on policy in her keynote address when her opponent conceded... so, I suppose it's a little personal. Alaska is a big state, yet it's also very small.

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Philip from GA's avatar

The democrat party apparatchik is very capable of destroying anyone that threatens their power. McCain could have chosen anyone, and that person would have been their target. They'll do it for Trump's running mate, but they've got more weapons delivery systems to use now.

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bill's avatar

Shelia Jackson Lee is from the sanctuary city of Houston and the reason I moved away

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Wayne's avatar

I don’t know why I read your substack, you really get my blood pressure up. Did you write a column on Pencilneck? Bowman? etc., frankly I don’t remember. But you disparaged my favorite Senator and House of Representative. At least you didn’t add Matt Gaetz.

Our country has little chance of survival without control of the southern border. You may experience this soon when the invaders leave Denver looking for greener pastures.

There can be no compromise with DRats, that is the reason the USA has become a third world country. It started with Theodore Roosevelt then went into a death spiral starting with Woodrow Wilson and the resulting United-Party that has given away our rights.

Kevin McFailure is a compromised man, his “congressional capture” by the deep state happened years ago. He was a very weak man with no principles. MAGA Mike folded like a greasy taco into a mumbling stumbling broken man. He is a jelly back spineless coward from Louisiana.

The USA needs to get its house in order before sending more billions to other countries. I am 75, none of our foreign interventions have helped this nation. Being a member of The UN and NATO has not benefited our country in any way except to enrich the Uni-Party Senators and Representatives.

But what should one expect from a “Colorado Conservative”, just more columns indicating the need to compromise with DRats. Sad!

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Glenn K Beaton's avatar

There are two main points to the column, Wayne.

1) MTG is a very ignorant and publicity-hungry person. I give numerous examples.

2) Specifically, her attempt to tie foreign aid to border security is foolish and unworkable.

As to whether we should give foreign aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, you and I disagree about that. But it's important to note that MTG appears IN FAVOR of such aid -- it's just that she wants to tie it to border security in a odd way. I hope we can agree that these dissimilar things should not be tied together. Debate them and vote on them, separately.

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Wayne's avatar

The problem of voting separately is border security would never pass due to DRats wanting voters (future?), the Chamber of Commerce pressure, and the “congressional capture “ of jelly back spineless Representatives such as your Ken Buck.

I disagree completely with your column, I believe that is still my right. Thanks!

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Maury BROCHSTEIN's avatar

What is your definition of a Third World country? Also, compromise, is the key component in any democracy. Prior to the Maga movement, that is how an affected political process works. This current Congress has been the least productive in US history and it is a result of people like “Moscow Marge” who are against almost everything but are not able to offer any meaningful solutions. In my opinion, Glenn’s article was spot on!

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bill's avatar

Good review Wayne. As best I can tell we have no faith in our own military or politicians don’t have the balls to protect America. They are compromised and afraid of the cartels so they leave it to the Texas national guard to make the first attempt since Trump to slow the surge of illegal aliens across our border. Never mind Venezuelans, Chinese, Syrians, etc, etc, etc

Furthermore, they say we are giving money to Ukraine to take down Russia. As best I can tell we have hired them to be mercenaries, soldiers of fortune, to do the job. It won’t be long and we will back out and the genocide against Ukrainians will ensue. Then we will leave it to NATO in baby blue shorts and helmets. They will be backed up by the French; GOOD LUCK

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Fred Ott's avatar

Before we give aid to any foreign country we should secure our own border these should not be tied together…..take care of our own first, then if there is anything left over we could possibly review helping foreigners…..people who are on Soc Sec are American citizens, not foreigners, you slipped gears there Glen, also with holding money to American soldiers who also happen to be American citizens also is another slip in the gears…..what is wrong with withholding money from countries who don’t support us or hate us ? I’m sick and tired of helping other countries, while watching our own country slide into a third world shit hole……! Trump was right again !

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Philip from GA's avatar

MTG has a set on her bigger than 95% of her colleagues and that is why they are dead set on destroying her.

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Philip from GA's avatar

"Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said police were called to her Georgia home Monday night after someone made a prank call to officials saying there was an emergency there. It was the sixth “swatting” episode that targeted the controversial Republican congresswoman since August, she said. “I was swatted for the 6th time last night,” Greene wrote on Twitter Tuesday."

https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-reports-sixth-swatting-incident-at-her-house/

And MTG is still standing.

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Steve (recovering lawyer)'s avatar

I, too, wish that our conservative spokesmen had all the eloquence of Churchill, the political acumen of Disraeli, the brilliance of intellect of Aristotle, the cunning of Machiavelli and the charm and charisma of FDR or JFK. Alas, I fail to see anyone with these qualifications among our current crop of politicians. Or among the general run of the entire human race. We seem to be stuck with rather imperfect vessels. But I note well that our perceptions of everything and everyone is filtered through the lens of the media, and failure to conform to the dictates of whatever it is that constitutes a favored position with those who control that media results in a public pillorying and holding up to ridicule, so much the better to foster the pointing and laughing that we are supposed to join in with. MTG puts me in mind of the insight offered up by Teddy Roosevelt when he spoke of "the man in the arena." Or, in this case, the woman. Which one among us would fare better when spotlit by an overtly hostile media? I confess that I lack the bravery to put myself in the position that MTG occupies, but I will not be too critical of those who do, because they have far too many critics and too few supporters. So I am sorry to see the Our Gracious Host has seen fit to do so when there are so very, very many other agenda items that might be the subject of his critical ire. Perhaps it is a case of simply too many targets from which to choose on the opposing side, which now seems nearly so overhelming as to bode our national demise if allowed to succeed in its desire to "fundamentally transform" our country.

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GEORGE FELDER III's avatar

Steve:

While I agree with all you said about the human race and MANkind, a lot of what MTG says is just inane, and gives fodder to the worthless, biased media. Note again how nothing that Dem from GA said about "Guam tipping over" is mentioned, but ANYTHING Bobert of Green says is taken out of context or simply lied about. For a long time, 99% of media, print or TV, has been totally biased. I'm hoping that every person in America knows that for a fact, and, if you are on the side who's ox is NOT being gored, you still have the honesty to admit you are on the good side and can do no wrong.

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Mister Two's avatar

Clap, clap!

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Cindy Chardonnay's avatar

Usually I agree with you but it's like you had a pinch hitter for this opinion piece. I don't agree with ANYTHING you said.

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Bobbi's avatar

Thank you. MGT exhausts me with what I call her antics. They are just as divisive and DEI. She is the most cringeworthy of all of our Republican congressmen and I hope she enjoys a new career change, soon.

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Philip from GA's avatar

We need to pay closer attention to the fact that democrats purposefully and with malice declared scorched Earth war on MTG. They would have declared war on anyone else, too. They want Georgia. She just has the courage to withstand their slander and lies.

Lastly, all women should admire Marjorie Taylor Greene. She means no harm to anyone.

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Jon's avatar

Good example of the biggest issue we have in the party -- those with the best "decorum" are the worst on policy and vice versa. The first step to solve that is to acknowledge the problem and to stop using decorum as a proxy for policy. And this goes in both directions within the party. Believe it or not, there are people in this country who look and sound like Mitt Romney who are not horrible people who hate us.

A couple of other points. The reason for tying the two issues together would have been negotiation. The Dems overwhelmingly are in favor of the war funding, so, if we were an opposition party, we might be able to extract some concessions on things we want. Also, of course, there's the pure disgust many of us have for supporting foreign governments given the dire fiscal issues we have here.

As to the border, yes, the major issue is the Biden Administration's open border policies. And yes, the "bipartisan border control" bill was fake and was actually an open-borders bill. However, the flood of illegals to our country is quite expensive and guess who funds it? Yes, mostly American taxpayers. So, if MIC Johnson actually gave a shit, he could have defunded the multi-billion dollar illegal immigration machine (NGOs, State Department funds, etc.) and that would have helped quite a bit, actually.

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Maurice Atwood's avatar

I have to take issue with some of what you wrote. I like MTG but also accept that she could use some charm school classes. Still, I love how she calls out the press for being the corrupt anti-American crusaders they are. Your comparison regarding the securing of the southern border though is absurd. Why should be fund other countries attempting to secure their border when our very own isn't secured? That's like someone feeding their neighbor while their own kids go without eating. I'm sick of sending money to other countries much of which is stolen by the so-called leaders and misused otherwise. In that regard you can learn something from MTG. Every penny we've sent Ukraine is a wasted penny. They will lose that war. They've already lost that war. Never had a chance to begin with. And here we are funding those people to continue to kill their own citizens fighting a winless war.

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Wayne's avatar

Third world country is a shythole. MTG was right, MAGA Mike is compromised, his black adopted son was caught in LA selling drugs. Compromising with DRats means losing, that is the reason we are becoming a shythole country. I stand by my analysis!

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Maury BROCHSTEIN's avatar

Hello Glenn. Enjoyed your article. Hope you consider the WSJ a credible news source.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176

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Glenn K Beaton's avatar

The Journal is credible but your citation of it is not. You apparently contend that Trump withheld arms/aid to Ukraine to get from them evidence of Biden's influence-peddling while VP . But the Journal article states that the whistle-blower himself says there was NO discussion of aid or arms in the telephone calls between Ukraine and Trump.

And the fact is, Trump DID release the appropriated money to Ukraine even though Ukraine never did help with investigating Biden's influence-peddling (an influence-peddling that polls show the American people widely believe to have happened).

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Maury BROCHSTEIN's avatar

Thanks for your comments and clarification. So are you say that is absolutely no truth that Trump was asking Zelensky for proof of any dirt on the Biden's? Here is one more article. Hope you're doing well.

"Trump pressed Ukraine’s president to work with Barr for dirt on Biden"

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/white-house-releases-transcript-of-trumps-call-with-ukraines-president-1510767

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Glenn K Beaton's avatar

I'm saying that your suggestion that Trump was trading aid and arms to Ukraine for dirt on Biden is not supported by the evidence, and is in fact refuted by the evidence you offer in the form of the Wall Street Journal article.

Now quit twisting the words of me -- and the words of the Wall Street Journal. You know that you are. Just stop it.

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Maury BROCHSTEIN's avatar

Understood, although it was far from a "Perfect" phone call! :-)

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