I have hired any number of legal immigrants because they are well educated, work hard, and are simply great people who WANT to be here, WANT to do well, and BELIEVE in the United States.
Instead of working up a full response myself, I'll simply quote Center for Immigration Studies exec director Mark Krikorian, from 2010:
"People imagine [that we have] 'Einstein immigration,' the best and the brightest, the cream of the crop, yada, yada, yada. Well, there's some of that, but it's mainly a 'bunch of B students from Hyderabad Community College.'"
Oh, but maybe Glenn's just talking about Einstein Immigration? Then that'd be a handful of people per year. (As a retired physicist, I'd set the criterion for physicists at "comparable to Enrico Fermi." No, I wouldn't have made the cut ...)
I'll also quote columnist Josh Hammer, today, quoting analyst Daniel Horowitz with a factual nugget that blows this whole "argument" out of the water:
"As for the allegedly pressing need for more 'high-skill' immigration, specifically: As the always-astute Blaze Media podcaster Daniel Horowitz pointed out on X, in recent decades, '71% of jobs in Silicon Valley have gone to foreign workers, while 74% of American STEM graduates have failed to secure jobs in STEM fields.' Why, then, do we allegedly need to flood our nation — and our tech companies — with foreign, and mostly Indian, labor? We don't."
The startling factual nugget there ("74%") isn't actually new to those of us who specialize in the subject of immigration.
While I'm at it: The "Statue of Liberty" (actual title: "Liberty Enlightening the World") HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION. Instead, it was a gift from French donors to honor the U.S. centennial and to call attention to what ordered liberty had wrought in the young American nation as an example the rest of the world might emulate. It doesn't invite "huddled masses" (nor "wretched refuse") to move here.
Paul: While I agree in part, the only way to stop a huge influx of legal immigration would be to have almost NO jobs to act as magnets to pull them here. That would mean to really step up our educational process from Kindergarten on up! When I was in grad school (not physics but lowly polymer science) we had mostly Indian and Asian students there. WHY? American kids didn't qualify PLUS if those students were just here on visas, their countries paid full ride. We USED to have the best and brightest, but that started to dim in the late 1960s! Our brightest students are still the equal of the world---just a loit LESS of them than there used to be---and yes, I'm speaking from personal observations in only a small slice of academia/science fields.
George: "While I agree in part, the only way to stop a huge influx of legal immigration would be to have almost NO jobs to act as magnets to pull them here."
OK, the pull is there, but we don't have to accommodate it by taking in foreign workers. There are, after all, quotas in the law. I think the quotas now are much too high.
If you read the sources I embedded in my reply to Glenn, you'll see that, despite routine claims of "shortage of STEM workers," salaries have been largely stagnant. It's actually been unpublicized national policy to suppress tech salaries by flooding the market with immigrants. (This is consistent with immigration pushes throughout U.S. history -- almost always driven by demands for cheap labor. Although nowadays, there's ethnic aggrandizement, too -- relative newcomers plumping for admission of more of their "tribes.")
I doubt that polymer science is "lowly"! I'm a physicist because everything else -- like biology -- is too complicated for me! (Also too much to memorize, at least with biology.)
Paul: I think polymer science is "lowly" because less math is involved than physics! (LOL) But, I was un grad school 15 years after undergrad in 1970, and my undergrad was interrupted by two years active duty in the Marines, all due to my math skills (or lack thereof!) So, my personal observations may not have even been uniformly correct, even "back then" from 1985-1993, the time I was in grad school taking one course at a time while working my full-time gig in surgery research. As I mentioned, we did NOT have a sufficient supply of "homegrown students" for two reasons: basic lack of knowledge and drive! The foreign students had both, possibly due to support from their home countries and or loss of face with failure! Quotas could work, and I can also attest to the fact that scientific research is NOT a field to become rich in! Probably academic folks would be able to describe all this in a superior manner with better references. Also, most of those foreign students did not remain here---at least from my viewpoint!
Notably, your quote from the podcaster on Blaze Media is without any references. I find it extremely difficult to believe his contention that "74% of American STEM graduates have failed to secure jobs in STEM fields."
Seriously? Is he seriously contending that American engineering grads are 74% involuntarily unemployed in their fields? Yes, he apparently is indeed seriously contending that -- which is why he offers no citation for that contention. Is short, the "74%" figure you rest your case on appears to be not only incredible, but pulled out of thin air by a podcaster.
As for the more credible contention that allowing foreign workers keeps down the wages of U.S. workers, that's a broader issue. But welcome to the global economy. If we don't utilize the skills of skilled foreign workers, the foreigners will. And then we'll pay the price in the undermining of American industry.
I'm not sure why you make a point of mentioning that many of the skilled foreign workers are Indian, but I suspect that in the last century people made similar mentions about the origin of the Irish, the Italians and the Jews.
Illegal immigration is a very serious problem which we must address. But that does not mean we lump together unvetted river-swimmers with legal, skilled visitors on visas who happened to obtain their valuable skills abroad -- skills far surpassing the average skill level of immigrants who made America great -- and are looking for a piece of the American dream.
Glenn: "Is he seriously contending that American engineering grads are 74% involuntarily unemployed in their fields?"
If you're unsatisfied with Daniel Horowitz's claims -- I don't think you should be, he's a serious writer -- I'll quote Steve Camarota and Karen Ziegler at the Center for Immigration Studies, writing in 2014. Based upon Census data (American Community Survey), here are some points from their upfront summary:
- Only one-third of native-born Americans with an undergraduate STEM degree holding a job actually work in a STEM occupation.
- There are more than five million native-born Americans with STEM undergraduate degrees working in non-STEM occupations: 1.5 million with engineering degrees, half a million with technology degrees, 400,000 with math degrees, and 2.6 million with science degrees.
- An additional 1.2 million natives with STEM degrees are not working — unemployed or out of the labor force in 2012.
Glenn: "I'm not sure why you make a point of mentioning that many of the skilled foreign workers are Indian ..."
That's Josh Hammer's writing, not mine. But since you raise the subject, there is a well-known cultural phenomenon of Indian hiring-managers at tech firms in Silicon Valley ignoring non-Indian applicants. If I need to, I can probably find sources on that.
If infinite Indians led to prosperity, why have the UK and Canada stagnated after letting in infinite Indians?
If Asian cram school values are the secret to success, why does Korea have half our GDP/capita, a 0.7 TFR, a stagnant economy, and the highest suicide rate in the OECD?
India has an average IQ of 76. There isn't that much talent. They are also corrupt, nepotistic, and have a very hostile culture.
We all know this is about importing low to mid level white collar workers under slave conditions who will then hire all their cousins once their in and take over the bureaucracies.
I don't recall anyone saying "infinite Indians led to prosperity." Did I miss something?
I also don't recall anyone saying "Asian cram school values are the secret to success." Did I miss that too?
I don't recall anyone saying we should allow H-1b visas for people with IQs of 76, nor have I seen a citation for the notion that Indians have an average IQ of 76. Did I even miss that?
Finally, I was not aware that tech workers in Silicon Valley work under "slave conditions." I really need to get out more.
But I do know the difference between "they're" and "their." And I know raw racism when I see it.
Get lost, Mr. "forumposter123." Before I throw you out of here.
You say you don't recognize their names? That's not surprising. They are my grandparents, all of whom came to The United States of America from war-torn eastern Europe. A couple of Slovaks, a Ukrainian and a Russian. None of them brought anything but their will to improve their lives, their grit and determination. None of them asked for anything but a chance to earn a livelihood and raise a family in peae and worship in the church of their choice. I miss them and so does America.
I agree with increasing the opportunities for legal immigration, but I want ALL illegals deported, including your maid, nanny and landscaper. Go home and do it right.
Gorman Seedling, played by Michael McKean: “Lay by and put about. Return to your port of embarkation. There is no work for you in the United States. You have no job skills. You will be a drag on our economy. We appreciate your situation, but we have problems of our own.”
[Coneheads - 1993, Paramount Pictures; Produced by Lorne Michaels: "Cone-headed extraterrestrials Beldar (Dan Aykroyd) and Prymaat (Jane Curtin) find themselves in New Jersey after a recon mission for their home planet of Remulak goes awry. Stranded, they are forced to live as typical suburban humans. Beldar gets a job, and daughter Connie (Michelle Burke) grows up to be a typical, if oddly shaped, teenager. When INS agents start investigating the family and Beldar receives sinister orders from Remulak, the Coneheads must decide where their allegiance lies."]
As an American-born science Ph.D. in the field of radiation biophysics, I've written extensively regarding the harms of the controversial H-1b Visa program (and programs spawned by employer abuse of the H-1b Visa program.) I twice testified in the House of Representatives and twice to the National Academy of Sciences regarding how harmful this program is to the long-term career prospects of experienced American citizens. Search for both phrases "Gene Nelson" and "H-1b" On December 28, 2024 there were 73 results. Since my scholarship does not match the economic interests of high-tech firms such as Google, many of my results are no longer available. (Shades of the "memory hole" featured in George Orwell's novel 1984. )
....Thus the universities must turn to foreign students to populate their PhD programs. Rather than simply allow PhD production and research to fall to the relatively low level justified by industrial and societal conditions, the universities will do anything to maintain high levels of these activities. Hence their vigorous lobbying for liberal H-1B policies. Note also that universities themselves employ H-1B researchers, and one aspect of their lobbying efforts has been to get Congress to exempt universities from paying H-1Bs market wages.
Again, we do not need to produce so many PhDs in the first place. However, it is interesting that the federal government’s National Science Foundation (NSF) actually promoted policies which they knew would result in low enrollments of domestic students in PhD programs. As we will explain later in our section on the use of H-1Bs as a source of cheap labor (Sec. 9.2.2), MIT mathematician/economist Eric Weinstein found that the NSF actually planned to hold down PhD wages by bringing in a glut of foreign scientists and engineers. The NSF documents reveal that NSF realized that by holding down PhD salaries they would cause domestic students to lose interest in PhD programs, while foreign students would still enroll in those programs as steppingstones to immigration.
Since the lobby for increased H-1B quotas has often made use of data provided by allies in the NSF, Dr. Weinstein’s discoveries take on special significance. NSF, which is now complaining that not enough domestic students pursue PhDs, actually planned for that to occur.
6.3.4 Case Study: Gene Nelson
The ITAA’s claim that if only American youngsters were better at science and math then we would not need to import H-1B workers is a cruel joke to the legions of underemployed programmers who excelled in those subjects during their formative years. Gene Nelson, for example, won an award in high school at the International Science Fair, and went on to earn a PhD in biophysics. He eventually became a programmer, but after being laid off in 1997 has failed to find further programming work. He was unemployed for several months in 1998, and finally found a job staffing a software phone-in help desk, a nonprogramming position at half his previous salary; even that job vanished when he was laid off in early 1999.....
See also the 2015 book Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires & Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels Are Screwing America's Best & Brightest Workers Kindle Edition
I decided to let the dust settle and tempers cool before forming my own conclusions. Glenn's right about LEGAL immigration being an overall plus, and nor did he rule out reforming or tightening H1B or any other path toward LEGAL immigration, if it's being abused. Would that Elon had taken that rhetorical route from the outset, but it is what it is.
The faction I now see unwilling to stand down from their high horse are those who purport to speak for "MAGA". Reminds me of those who claimed to speak for the Tea Party. Both were and are political movements, not parties. Nobody speaks for "MAGA" except Trump, who created the movement. Bannon, in particular, appears to have forgotten that fact.
I don't like Mike Johnson, either, but there's no time for an alternative between now and Jan. 20th. Deal with it and move on. These issues aren't trivial, but they're not the hill do die on. Elon and Thiel aren't the devil, regardless of what Bannon would have us believe.
Exactly!
I have hired any number of legal immigrants because they are well educated, work hard, and are simply great people who WANT to be here, WANT to do well, and BELIEVE in the United States.
No, Glenn. Just no.
Instead of working up a full response myself, I'll simply quote Center for Immigration Studies exec director Mark Krikorian, from 2010:
"People imagine [that we have] 'Einstein immigration,' the best and the brightest, the cream of the crop, yada, yada, yada. Well, there's some of that, but it's mainly a 'bunch of B students from Hyderabad Community College.'"
Oh, but maybe Glenn's just talking about Einstein Immigration? Then that'd be a handful of people per year. (As a retired physicist, I'd set the criterion for physicists at "comparable to Enrico Fermi." No, I wouldn't have made the cut ...)
I'll also quote columnist Josh Hammer, today, quoting analyst Daniel Horowitz with a factual nugget that blows this whole "argument" out of the water:
"As for the allegedly pressing need for more 'high-skill' immigration, specifically: As the always-astute Blaze Media podcaster Daniel Horowitz pointed out on X, in recent decades, '71% of jobs in Silicon Valley have gone to foreign workers, while 74% of American STEM graduates have failed to secure jobs in STEM fields.' Why, then, do we allegedly need to flood our nation — and our tech companies — with foreign, and mostly Indian, labor? We don't."
The startling factual nugget there ("74%") isn't actually new to those of us who specialize in the subject of immigration.
http://jewishworldreview.com/1224/hammer122724.php
While I'm at it: The "Statue of Liberty" (actual title: "Liberty Enlightening the World") HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION. Instead, it was a gift from French donors to honor the U.S. centennial and to call attention to what ordered liberty had wrought in the young American nation as an example the rest of the world might emulate. It doesn't invite "huddled masses" (nor "wretched refuse") to move here.
Paul: While I agree in part, the only way to stop a huge influx of legal immigration would be to have almost NO jobs to act as magnets to pull them here. That would mean to really step up our educational process from Kindergarten on up! When I was in grad school (not physics but lowly polymer science) we had mostly Indian and Asian students there. WHY? American kids didn't qualify PLUS if those students were just here on visas, their countries paid full ride. We USED to have the best and brightest, but that started to dim in the late 1960s! Our brightest students are still the equal of the world---just a loit LESS of them than there used to be---and yes, I'm speaking from personal observations in only a small slice of academia/science fields.
George: "While I agree in part, the only way to stop a huge influx of legal immigration would be to have almost NO jobs to act as magnets to pull them here."
OK, the pull is there, but we don't have to accommodate it by taking in foreign workers. There are, after all, quotas in the law. I think the quotas now are much too high.
If you read the sources I embedded in my reply to Glenn, you'll see that, despite routine claims of "shortage of STEM workers," salaries have been largely stagnant. It's actually been unpublicized national policy to suppress tech salaries by flooding the market with immigrants. (This is consistent with immigration pushes throughout U.S. history -- almost always driven by demands for cheap labor. Although nowadays, there's ethnic aggrandizement, too -- relative newcomers plumping for admission of more of their "tribes.")
I doubt that polymer science is "lowly"! I'm a physicist because everything else -- like biology -- is too complicated for me! (Also too much to memorize, at least with biology.)
Paul: I think polymer science is "lowly" because less math is involved than physics! (LOL) But, I was un grad school 15 years after undergrad in 1970, and my undergrad was interrupted by two years active duty in the Marines, all due to my math skills (or lack thereof!) So, my personal observations may not have even been uniformly correct, even "back then" from 1985-1993, the time I was in grad school taking one course at a time while working my full-time gig in surgery research. As I mentioned, we did NOT have a sufficient supply of "homegrown students" for two reasons: basic lack of knowledge and drive! The foreign students had both, possibly due to support from their home countries and or loss of face with failure! Quotas could work, and I can also attest to the fact that scientific research is NOT a field to become rich in! Probably academic folks would be able to describe all this in a superior manner with better references. Also, most of those foreign students did not remain here---at least from my viewpoint!
Meant to say "IN" grad school, not un! Drat!
Notably, your quote from the podcaster on Blaze Media is without any references. I find it extremely difficult to believe his contention that "74% of American STEM graduates have failed to secure jobs in STEM fields."
Seriously? Is he seriously contending that American engineering grads are 74% involuntarily unemployed in their fields? Yes, he apparently is indeed seriously contending that -- which is why he offers no citation for that contention. Is short, the "74%" figure you rest your case on appears to be not only incredible, but pulled out of thin air by a podcaster.
As for the more credible contention that allowing foreign workers keeps down the wages of U.S. workers, that's a broader issue. But welcome to the global economy. If we don't utilize the skills of skilled foreign workers, the foreigners will. And then we'll pay the price in the undermining of American industry.
I'm not sure why you make a point of mentioning that many of the skilled foreign workers are Indian, but I suspect that in the last century people made similar mentions about the origin of the Irish, the Italians and the Jews.
Illegal immigration is a very serious problem which we must address. But that does not mean we lump together unvetted river-swimmers with legal, skilled visitors on visas who happened to obtain their valuable skills abroad -- skills far surpassing the average skill level of immigrants who made America great -- and are looking for a piece of the American dream.
Glenn: "Is he seriously contending that American engineering grads are 74% involuntarily unemployed in their fields?"
If you're unsatisfied with Daniel Horowitz's claims -- I don't think you should be, he's a serious writer -- I'll quote Steve Camarota and Karen Ziegler at the Center for Immigration Studies, writing in 2014. Based upon Census data (American Community Survey), here are some points from their upfront summary:
- Only one-third of native-born Americans with an undergraduate STEM degree holding a job actually work in a STEM occupation.
- There are more than five million native-born Americans with STEM undergraduate degrees working in non-STEM occupations: 1.5 million with engineering degrees, half a million with technology degrees, 400,000 with math degrees, and 2.6 million with science degrees.
- An additional 1.2 million natives with STEM degrees are not working — unemployed or out of the labor force in 2012.
From https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/camarota-STEM.pdf
I'm confident the situation in 2024 isn't much different, if at all. Here's Camarota this September, working from BLS and Census data: https://cis.org/Oped/New-data-show-no-STEM-worker-shortage
Glenn: "I'm not sure why you make a point of mentioning that many of the skilled foreign workers are Indian ..."
That's Josh Hammer's writing, not mine. But since you raise the subject, there is a well-known cultural phenomenon of Indian hiring-managers at tech firms in Silicon Valley ignoring non-Indian applicants. If I need to, I can probably find sources on that.
And the brutal effect on many native-born STEM workers of the cheap-labor-motivated H-1B program is discussed here: https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2019-05/sussis-h-1b-stories_0.pdf
What if Mr. Horowitz meant to say "American engineering grads are 74% involuntarily under-employed in their fields?"
If infinite Indians led to prosperity, why have the UK and Canada stagnated after letting in infinite Indians?
If Asian cram school values are the secret to success, why does Korea have half our GDP/capita, a 0.7 TFR, a stagnant economy, and the highest suicide rate in the OECD?
India has an average IQ of 76. There isn't that much talent. They are also corrupt, nepotistic, and have a very hostile culture.
We all know this is about importing low to mid level white collar workers under slave conditions who will then hire all their cousins once their in and take over the bureaucracies.
I don't recall anyone saying "infinite Indians led to prosperity." Did I miss something?
I also don't recall anyone saying "Asian cram school values are the secret to success." Did I miss that too?
I don't recall anyone saying we should allow H-1b visas for people with IQs of 76, nor have I seen a citation for the notion that Indians have an average IQ of 76. Did I even miss that?
Finally, I was not aware that tech workers in Silicon Valley work under "slave conditions." I really need to get out more.
But I do know the difference between "they're" and "their." And I know raw racism when I see it.
Get lost, Mr. "forumposter123." Before I throw you out of here.
Glenn
Some other notable immigrants:
Jacob Halchevsky
Sophie Pylypchuk
Stephen Dugas
Mary Ulicny
You say you don't recognize their names? That's not surprising. They are my grandparents, all of whom came to The United States of America from war-torn eastern Europe. A couple of Slovaks, a Ukrainian and a Russian. None of them brought anything but their will to improve their lives, their grit and determination. None of them asked for anything but a chance to earn a livelihood and raise a family in peae and worship in the church of their choice. I miss them and so does America.
Immigrants notable in different ways:
Sirhan Sirhan
Meyer Lansky
Charles Ponzi
Mahmud Abouhalima
Giuseppe Zangara
Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
Hesham Hadayet
Charles Luciano
I agree with increasing the opportunities for legal immigration, but I want ALL illegals deported, including your maid, nanny and landscaper. Go home and do it right.
Bravo!
Here’s one of my favorite Coneheads lines:
Gorman Seedling, played by Michael McKean: “Lay by and put about. Return to your port of embarkation. There is no work for you in the United States. You have no job skills. You will be a drag on our economy. We appreciate your situation, but we have problems of our own.”
[Coneheads - 1993, Paramount Pictures; Produced by Lorne Michaels: "Cone-headed extraterrestrials Beldar (Dan Aykroyd) and Prymaat (Jane Curtin) find themselves in New Jersey after a recon mission for their home planet of Remulak goes awry. Stranded, they are forced to live as typical suburban humans. Beldar gets a job, and daughter Connie (Michelle Burke) grows up to be a typical, if oddly shaped, teenager. When INS agents start investigating the family and Beldar receives sinister orders from Remulak, the Coneheads must decide where their allegiance lies."]
As an American-born science Ph.D. in the field of radiation biophysics, I've written extensively regarding the harms of the controversial H-1b Visa program (and programs spawned by employer abuse of the H-1b Visa program.) I twice testified in the House of Representatives and twice to the National Academy of Sciences regarding how harmful this program is to the long-term career prospects of experienced American citizens. Search for both phrases "Gene Nelson" and "H-1b" On December 28, 2024 there were 73 results. Since my scholarship does not match the economic interests of high-tech firms such as Google, many of my results are no longer available. (Shades of the "memory hole" featured in George Orwell's novel 1984. )
See page 84 of 132, "Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage - Testimony to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration by Dr. Norman Matloff." https://web.archive.org/web/20030403060330/http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.pdf
....Thus the universities must turn to foreign students to populate their PhD programs. Rather than simply allow PhD production and research to fall to the relatively low level justified by industrial and societal conditions, the universities will do anything to maintain high levels of these activities. Hence their vigorous lobbying for liberal H-1B policies. Note also that universities themselves employ H-1B researchers, and one aspect of their lobbying efforts has been to get Congress to exempt universities from paying H-1Bs market wages.
Again, we do not need to produce so many PhDs in the first place. However, it is interesting that the federal government’s National Science Foundation (NSF) actually promoted policies which they knew would result in low enrollments of domestic students in PhD programs. As we will explain later in our section on the use of H-1Bs as a source of cheap labor (Sec. 9.2.2), MIT mathematician/economist Eric Weinstein found that the NSF actually planned to hold down PhD wages by bringing in a glut of foreign scientists and engineers. The NSF documents reveal that NSF realized that by holding down PhD salaries they would cause domestic students to lose interest in PhD programs, while foreign students would still enroll in those programs as steppingstones to immigration.
Since the lobby for increased H-1B quotas has often made use of data provided by allies in the NSF, Dr. Weinstein’s discoveries take on special significance. NSF, which is now complaining that not enough domestic students pursue PhDs, actually planned for that to occur.
6.3.4 Case Study: Gene Nelson
The ITAA’s claim that if only American youngsters were better at science and math then we would not need to import H-1B workers is a cruel joke to the legions of underemployed programmers who excelled in those subjects during their formative years. Gene Nelson, for example, won an award in high school at the International Science Fair, and went on to earn a PhD in biophysics. He eventually became a programmer, but after being laid off in 1997 has failed to find further programming work. He was unemployed for several months in 1998, and finally found a job staffing a software phone-in help desk, a nonprogramming position at half his previous salary; even that job vanished when he was laid off in early 1999.....
See also the 2015 book Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires & Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels Are Screwing America's Best & Brightest Workers Kindle Edition
by Michelle Malkin (Author), John Miano (Author) Format: Kindle Edition https://www.amazon.com/Sold-Out-Billionaires-Bipartisan-Crapweasels-ebook/dp/B00VBW3SYQ/ John Miano, J.D. was a programmer who then went to law school. He is currently admitted to the bar to plead cases to the U.S. Supreme Court, among other venues.
Excellent article, Glenn, it hits the nail squarely on the head!!
I decided to let the dust settle and tempers cool before forming my own conclusions. Glenn's right about LEGAL immigration being an overall plus, and nor did he rule out reforming or tightening H1B or any other path toward LEGAL immigration, if it's being abused. Would that Elon had taken that rhetorical route from the outset, but it is what it is.
The faction I now see unwilling to stand down from their high horse are those who purport to speak for "MAGA". Reminds me of those who claimed to speak for the Tea Party. Both were and are political movements, not parties. Nobody speaks for "MAGA" except Trump, who created the movement. Bannon, in particular, appears to have forgotten that fact.
I don't like Mike Johnson, either, but there's no time for an alternative between now and Jan. 20th. Deal with it and move on. These issues aren't trivial, but they're not the hill do die on. Elon and Thiel aren't the devil, regardless of what Bannon would have us believe.